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This resonated with me a lot. I feel like I could have sat in this conversation for a while and contributed on the harm side quite considerably.

They all encourage ppl there to marry other AA people and stay within.

Great insights, comments and contributions! Thanks!

Very interesting the dichotomy white lies vs. black truths.

And you council people mate? chill out

Aa works for predators and conformists. Aa is psuedo egalitarian. Nailed it twice. However I prefer describing people as incarcerated with problems using substances. To inmates who abuse drugs..

Getting upset with Aldo is choosing and insisting someone else should be like us, see our point of view. Frustration turns into a disturbance. I felt it!

Enjoyed this, thanks. It seems to touch on Time Perspective Therapy too, in a complementary way to REBT.

Another great episode! Great to have Nelson on again in the future!

This is the biggest piece of misinformation I have ever seen to trash a program that has worked for millions and millions of people. These people haven't been to one AA meeting to identify with anything. You will always find what you're looking for. Always. That's why people don't stay sober. That's why people kill themselves. That's why people isolate. AA pulled me from all of that, not to it. Bunch of friggin quacks.....

If you don't like it, don't go. If you resent AA, get some help with that, because, in a healthy way, they don't give a crap about your resentment. AA encourages members to seek professional help if one feels they need it. They are not professionals, don't claim to be professionals, and a lot of your views seem to be rooted in some strong personal feelings, not facts. For 36 years, I have yet to see a Rational Recovery group be anything but a rehashing of AA resentment, which is sad because so much more could be learned.

Your claims are lies and bullshit! Apparently you are not a recovering alcoholic.

This was another interesting conversation. When Mick mentions the semantic precision in REBT and not standing a situation I am reminded by the REBT phrases, USA: Unconditional Self Acceptance and Don't Let Frustrations Turn Into Disturbances. Yeah, we might get I Can't Stand It -itis but as long as we accept that in life there will be frustrating situations, events, people... It is OKay. Be aware not to fuel them into disturbances. Life is full of frustration. That is the Human condition. Manage frustration. Focus on the positives which there will be in life as well. 👍

Thanks for this wonderful podcast!

AA is not a cult. AA is a group of like minded people getting together for social interaction.

Quake, Quake, Quake.

Who hurt you guys 😂

Thanks for this discussion. This was the interesting bit (5:30 to 6:10) Behaviour related to jealousy is toxic not the feeling. e.g. I noticed 2 electric toothbrushes, a pink shower cap and female razor whilst visiting new boyfriend's home. I could have created a disturbance as my feelings were jealous of this "invisible female" but I stored the feelings within and did not let them ruin that evening. I did not mention them at all. ⏩Fast forward to two weeks later, his sister visited him and in passing she mentioned that they (the bathroom items) belong to her and that she leaves them here as she often visits and stays overnight. This resolved my jealousy. Jealous feelings: accept you've got them, don't let them manifest outwardly. As your reaction/behaviour after becoming jealous can greatly foster or hinder the relationship.

Thos guy knows nothing about the AA I am part of.

This asshole is going to get ppl KILLED.... Don't listen 2 these guys they have no idea what they're talking about.....go make a meeting

Stop saying, drugs and alcohol. Alcohol is a drug. So the drug alcohol and other drugs would be the proper way to refer to this subject. BTW y'all are full of dukie...

Stoics seek to eliminate negative emotions using practical techniques like reframing (thinking differently about a situation, etc) and viewing setbacks in life, not as negative things but as challenges and/or tests from which you grow/strengthen/develop as a better human being. Similar aims to REBT, but REBT seems to me to be more systematic.

hey guys is your book stage fright available in audiobook format?

I never heard to stay away from normal people. Maybe in the first year when I was starting to apply the steps I stayed close to AA. But Ive had 5 home groups in 2 states and a symptom of recovery is having relationships and fitting in with non-alcoholics. It is often referred to as "fooling" normal people into believing you are not a narcissistic alcoholic....

Horrible place full of narcissistic predators who gather up to help the sick other's, the codependent People are intraspecies predators Aa helps narcissist, kills codependent

Thanks -- once again -- for the podcast, Dr. Edelstein!

The first guy with glasses has no idea what the AA program is about and why it would or wouldn't work. Kind of sad he's painting it as a program that only certain people can get. I think the proof is in the number of 12 step programs and the success. Virtually no other program or system has anywhere near the success. These guys have a "job" to do and protect. No one in AA is paid.

Great advice Dr. Edelstein!

I had a job interview today and I didn't feel stress at all, thanks to REBT! Everything went exactly as I'd hoped, I was excited but not nervous, and I focused on the benefits from getting the job rather than the disadvantages of not having it, which made me come across as enthusiastic and friendly.

Lol!😂 I am the biggest non conformist on the planet, and I often don't tow the AA line, but the fine print says, " The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking. " I hold them to that, and I have been sober for 2 years. The "conformity" is usually just common sense. Take it or leave it. You can't get kicked out. I'm 57, and I drank for 44 years.

I’m a highly idiosyncratic, creative, relentless thinker and I was just deciding to stop AA because I had figured this out on my own. What a f ing nightmare. Thanks for doing this interview and confirming my interpretation of the program.

The word "Sponsorship" is found in the story " He Sold Himself Short" page 287 Third addition of the book Alcoholics Anonymous Michael. Cheers

This is really cool to see and hear Dr. Debbie in such an intimate interview. I just finished a short RUclips biography doc. on Albert Ellis, and I recognize Dr. Debbie from a few of the pics and videos I found during my online research. Ellis is one of my psych heroes because of all the people he helped, and especially for his comedic approach to psychotherapy. I just hope that I did him justice in my fun little video, and provided accurate accounts from his life and work.

This is really a pathetic effort to reinvent the wheel. Sobriety is not about quitting booze. Its about rational thinking.

Very interesting views on AA . I beg to differ on some of what you think AA is telling people. You are right about the symptom explanation.

Wow the AA your talking about is not the one I am in. The expression 13 stepping is discouraged because it cutifys predatory behavior.

Give up being a artist??? That's not the message I got from AA.

The big book says the ego needs to be crushed. Blaming AA for lack of mental health care in North America is sad. Not all groups are the same. Not all groups have GSRs and not all districts have dcms. AA is all voluntary

Another short -- but great -- podcast. Thanks!

When you take a nap, if you can, you can start over when you wake up. Im trying to ask my HMO to pay for a Spinal.Stimulator that will.send a signal to my Vagul Nerve. It makes a big difference!🎉

Real therapy .

A video packed with misinformation and outright bullshit. AA isn't perfect, isn't for everyone and has never claimed to be. If you're going to critique it at least be factual.

Sure.....pay and we'll get you better, yea right, we dont force anyone to do anything, we dont brainwash, all are suggestions its up to you to decide, what a lot of frk rubbish, you stay away at the beggining of sobriety to people, places and things alcohol related but as you get confidence in your sobriety of course one goes out into society you ignorant fool, hes money hungry period

The limitation is on the receiver not on REBT itself.

God saved my life from the rooms of AA. He has revealed that there are many that stay sick in there, and most come in there looking for a Mate. I'll listen to my intuition from God, to stay far away from them. In the 80's, AA was successful, cant say that these days.

Yes please, I'd like you to cover the topic of assertiveness.

Great episode! The recap of some of the most common musts related to marriage anxiety was excellent -- and very important to always keep in mind (especially the fact that you cannot hurt anybody emotionally -- thanks, Mick, for the clarification, ^_^). I also believe that rage vs. determination would be a good topic for a future podcast. Thanks for you work!

Also I want to add that the weakness of therapy is in providing an ethical world view or principle (what should one do and not do in any moral situation, etc). A holistic approach should be both therapy and philosophical counseling. Philosophy is rigorous when it comes to arguing for or against your beliefs.

Why not invite a philosopher specialized in Stoicism? Stoicism doesn’t say that we cannot/shouldn’t have pleasure in buying a house, having sex, pursue fame and wealth; but rather it should be an indifference (preferred vs unpreferred indifference). Why is this the case? Because in any case that humans don’t achieve or loose these things (wealth, fame, house), their tranquality wouldn’t be disturbed. Stocism is big on maintaining tranquality.

I’ve been in AA for 7 years and your ideas are distortions.